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Alcaeus and Sappho? #2682

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lcerrato opened this issue Dec 18, 2022 · 10 comments
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Alcaeus and Sappho? #2682

lcerrato opened this issue Dec 18, 2022 · 10 comments
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Have they been on any pick lists? I cannot find them.
@AlisonBabeu
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hi @lcerrato for some reason when I was compiling our data entry list I mistakenly thought we had an edition of Sappho. There are three separate TLGs for their fragments, tlg0383 for Alcaeus, tlg0009 and then tlg1815 (for the two of them). Shall I add an edition to the First1K data entry picklist?

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Sure!
The Sappho edition linked in the catalog is far more conjecture than text when compared to other editions so I was surprised by how much of it was filled in without bracketing or other notation on the speculative parts.
I'm not sure if there is a better one since those tend to be more modern.

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AlisonBabeu commented Dec 19, 2022 •
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So @lcerrato there are a few different ones in the catalog including one or two SLUB editions, any recommendations as to which one should go on the picklist?

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Not really, but perhaps:
https://catalog.perseus.org/catalog/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0009.tlg001.opp-grc1

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lmuellner commented Dec 19, 2022 via email

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Hi @lmuellner
That's precisely the reason they are not in Perseus to begin with — too fragmentary. (I've been answering this question from the beginning of my time at Perseus!)
I did a brief look at some of these and they do not do a good job of distinguishing the recreated text from the surviving text.

I'm not promoting inclusion if it means presenting a less than ideal text, but it's one of those things that comes up a lot.
Quoted texts is another issue (see Monica with Athenaeus). We would not be equipped to fully mark up things in this way (yet) but complex texts are something we will want editors to work on.

We do have the Greek Anthology in Perseus for Epigrams but this is not broken down by author, so the original email correspondent would have no way of finding these.

I found nascent xml for all of the LCL Greek Lyric volumes but these were never published.

So in those files there are some elemenary tags for the testimonia — interesting —:

<div2 type="testimonium" n="1"><head lang="en"><bibl n="Pap. Oxy. 1800">P. Oxy. 1800</bibl> fr. 1<note n="1"/></head>

<div2 type="testimonium" n="7"><head lang="en"><bibl n="tlg-0099.001:13.2.3"><author>Str.</author> 13.2.3</bibl> (<bibl><biblScope>iii 65s.</biblScope> <editor>Kramer</editor></bibl>)</head>

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@AlisonBabeu @lmuellner
I should also add that this comes as OGL is adding lots of fragmentary stuff, such as the Euripides I just completed, where we have single word fragments.
So it's hard to continue to exclude these other poets.

These are challenging files, though, so we may just have a very basic first pass.

Thanks for adding your comments!

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hi @lcerrato and @lcerrato , the Greek Anthology on Perseus has always bothered me because I have all of the individual author and work level metadata in the catalog, its always been a question of how to link them. So I guess my question at this point is should I add an edition to the data entry list or no? And if so which one? The Voigt edition of Sappho was published in 1971, but I just gave up using Worldcat to find an edition (they have changed the interface), the Diehl edition of Alcaeus is a reprint of a much earlier series that is in the Perseus Catalog.

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lcerrato commented Dec 20, 2022 •
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Hi @AlisonBabeu
At this point, I have the Lyric Poets LCL edition on hand, so that is the one I would add (for now).

I think it is this: https://archive.org/details/greeklyric0001unse/page/2/mode/2up

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Ok @lcerrato that is what I will put on the list.

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